tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post7072081124376616380..comments2024-01-18T18:25:31.397-08:00Comments on .: Polycarp and Ignatius - a Second Century model for Christian unity or not?Frederik Mulderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15196783247144695855noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post-87738757446331267302010-04-19T11:32:04.821-07:002010-04-19T11:32:04.821-07:00Dear Frederick
From far away South Africa it is ni...Dear Frederick<br />From far away South Africa it is nice to follow your blog. In these times of so much one-sided theology in some influential church and theological circles in SA, your contributions are of great importance. We as mainstream theologians and church people, also in SA wish to support you in your endeavours. Best wishes. Prof JW(Hoffie) Hofmeyr(Emeritus Professor, Univ of Pretoria; Extrordinary Professor, Univ of the Free State and Ev Theol Faculty, Louvain, Belgium; Visiting Researcher, Liverpool Hope Univ, UK)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post-53783532784115312442010-03-31T01:21:51.656-07:002010-03-31T01:21:51.656-07:00Very interesting Jan!
It will be interesting to de...Very interesting Jan!<br />It will be interesting to delve deeper into the realisation of the "solid organized church" which developed. Where and when did it actually begin? 110 AD or 150AD? Did Marcion play a role in it? Did the Christ events became reinterpreted to bolster church authority and when? I know Irenaeus used church authority for some of his arguments against Gnostics and Marcion. Tertullian in his On the Resurrection of the Flesh and Against Marcion Book V, did not really depend on church authority that much in his defence of bodily resurrection though. In fact, where Irenaeus did not discuss Rom 8:3 -(significant for a Docetic interpretation) in his Against Heresies, Tertullian took each and every contentious text and tried to argue from Scripture that Gnostic interpretations are not sustianable. He was ruthless at times though..<br /><br />Will be nice to keep track of your research Jan!Frederik Mulderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196783247144695855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post-29668075621135032292010-03-31T00:44:53.200-07:002010-03-31T00:44:53.200-07:00A more profane reason why Polycarp and Ignatius re...A more profane reason why Polycarp and Ignatius regarded each other as 'brothers' could have to do with the martyrdom of Ignatius. While on his way to Rome, he wrote his pastoral letters to the Christian communities in the region.<br />It's striking how Ignatius is willing to give his life for Christ without there being a solid organized body as the church. The whole idea of a authoritative leader (episkopos) was just rising and Ignatius claimed himself to be one of them, along with Polycarp. Being very popular and an example to many followers of Christ, and because his fierce defense of the bodily resurrection of Christ, Polycarp had enough reasons to call Ignatius a brother, although Ignatius'"eager" to die in a Roman arena for Christ sake was still an oddity in that time.Jan van Wijgerdenhttp://www.nowebsite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post-11080718591256442802010-03-29T00:47:12.702-07:002010-03-29T00:47:12.702-07:00Church unity?
I believe that unity amongst believ...Church unity?<br /><br />I believe that unity amongst believers exist. It consists in the unity that is there in the faith commonly shared that was once delivered by the apostles. This faith is a gift from God. As such it is the most holy faith which consists of a sure conviction that God exists, that His word is the truth, that the good news of the Messiah that came in the fullness of time is true, sharing our humanity, yet without sin; doing mighty works; dying on the cross, rising on the third day and ascending into heaven from where He will come again; in the Holy Spirit who dwells mightily in us to conform us through a life of sanctification; and in the last judgement. This is then a matter of faith full of content, which produces an abundance of fruit of love and good works without which the faith is dead. Where such faith exists you will find true unity.<br />What then about the differences even amongst such believers? With Paul I conclude that we are one even so and that these differences will either be solved here or in the life to come. What about those that like to differ even on the essential matters of the faith? The Holy Spirit has long ago decreed that there is no unity with those who deny that Christ is the Son of God, that He did not really rise victoriously, conquering death, from the grave, that Jesus is not the only way, the only truth, or the only life, etc. We have no communion with such people - whatever they may claim to be or their position in the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post-36654291908823179802010-03-24T12:46:53.605-07:002010-03-24T12:46:53.605-07:00The glue that makes it work is love. God is love. ...The glue that makes it work is love. God is love. Where people have God in them they are good to be around because of the faith, the hope and the love being shared indiscriminately in many ways. These fairly rare people are quite scary because they aren't, as a rule, big on talking, big on taking up the regurgitations of acclaimed theologians, big on how they appear to be to others, or big on clutching on to accumulated goods and chattels. They are big on obedience and getting on with the job. They have one fear, a holy fear of hindering the flow of love and grace in their lives. They don't sweat the small stuff when constantly aware of God's presence. It would appear Polycarp was blessed in this way.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06656503303695079198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3725661126161848078.post-30249592419281792932010-03-24T08:41:46.413-07:002010-03-24T08:41:46.413-07:00The unity of the church is at once biblically true...The unity of the church is at once biblically true and humanly spoken impossible, still I will give my life to working towards that unity!<br /><br />PS!! Thanx for the midnight walk and the talks that both build up and challenge...<br /><br />Johann FourieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com